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Life
Apr 5, 2004 18:46:39 GMT 7
Post by AlmostOz on Apr 5, 2004 18:46:39 GMT 7
as this is the now designated philo forum
whats your views on life? do you beleive in karma, god, death, life?
is your life really just like the movie Ed tv and you really don't know it?
just trying to get something else started
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Apr 5, 2004 20:31:44 GMT 7
Post by curious on Apr 5, 2004 20:31:44 GMT 7
Well, at leat nobody can argue the topic is too constricting!
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Apr 6, 2004 7:27:14 GMT 7
Post by AlmostOz on Apr 6, 2004 7:27:14 GMT 7
shutdown
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Apr 6, 2004 10:38:52 GMT 7
Post by stumbleine on Apr 6, 2004 10:38:52 GMT 7
Life is like a never ending rollercoaster. Up, down and flat bits. I believe in Karma. You do bad it comes back threefold. I don't believe in god or worship any idol. I'm not fond of the idea of it. Though I am spiritual. I believe in predetermined fates. Kinda of like the paths that we can take branch out like a tree and where we end up depends on the choices we make. I'm fully into reincarnation. You'd think with having an old soul, I would have life figured out by now. lol I think when you die, its just like nothing until your soul is needed. No heaven or hell. Kinda like a big long sleep. I hope my life is not like EdTv or The Truman Show. I'd hate to think people are looking in at my every move. Though I'd probably start a craze with my spastic dancing and talking to myself. lol
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Apr 6, 2004 10:46:09 GMT 7
Post by belfczar on Apr 6, 2004 10:46:09 GMT 7
life is an awful movie.
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Apr 6, 2004 15:21:46 GMT 7
Post by trev on Apr 6, 2004 15:21:46 GMT 7
Well, i'm agnostic, very scientific and logical and into that stuff. i like reason. all of which are why i'm agnostic. i was brought up christian, but started to question it all around the early teens. At the moment, my gut feeling says there is no god, and no spiritual world. But i'm not even close to being conviced either way, it's just a gut feeling.
I believe in Karma, but not in the over the top usual way. I believe that we are a world, a scoiety of individuals, and the more individuals that act badly, the more chance there is of you getting treated badly, and vice versa. i don't think there's some force keeping tally on all the good and bad you've done as such, or that everyone gets what they deserve. Some people are lucky. they act and treat people badly yet get good luck. Some people try to do nothing but good and get horrific luck. It's an idea of general world karma. Right now, the world in gerneral is in pretty deep shit, bad karma all the way.
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Apr 6, 2004 15:41:09 GMT 7
Post by toolgasm on Apr 6, 2004 15:41:09 GMT 7
I don't believe in god or worship any idol. I'm not fond of the idea of it. Oh really now? What about a certain bald, lanky man from Chicago?
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Apr 7, 2004 12:45:27 GMT 7
Post by anti on Apr 7, 2004 12:45:27 GMT 7
life is like a box of choclates
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Apr 7, 2004 12:46:50 GMT 7
Post by stumbleine on Apr 7, 2004 12:46:50 GMT 7
Yes really. Its not as though I'm taking his word as gospel. If I was, kill me. Also its not as though I "worship" him, I'd called it .... admiration or something else ..... Damn bum-brain!!
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Apr 7, 2004 12:48:20 GMT 7
Post by stumbleine on Apr 7, 2004 12:48:20 GMT 7
life is like a box of choclates You never know what you're gonna get in it. ;D ....... I'm guessing a few nuts .....
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Apr 7, 2004 15:00:41 GMT 7
Post by toolgasm on Apr 7, 2004 15:00:41 GMT 7
I'm guessing a few insects' legs, according to your sig!
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Apr 7, 2004 19:58:47 GMT 7
Post by SPchick on Apr 7, 2004 19:58:47 GMT 7
I dont know if I believe in Karma, but I believe in what I call the "universe" which is basically what I call it when I want to blame my problems on a higher power.
Its a rollercoaster thing. The "universe" gives you ups and downs. As my dad always says, "what you lose on the slides you make up on the slippery dips" I'm not sure what that means exactly, something about playground equipment.
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Apr 7, 2004 20:15:02 GMT 7
Post by soundslikequiet on Apr 7, 2004 20:15:02 GMT 7
Well, i'm agnostic, very scientific and logical and into that stuff. i like reason. all of which are why i'm agnostic. i was brought up christian, but started to question it all around the early teens. At the moment, my gut feeling says there is no god, and no spiritual world. But i'm not even close to being conviced either way, it's just a gut feeling. I believe in Karma, but not in the over the top usual way. I believe that we are a world, a scoiety of individuals, and the more individuals that act badly, the more chance there is of you getting treated badly, and vice versa. i don't think there's some force keeping tally on all the good and bad you've done as such, or that everyone gets what they deserve. Some people are lucky. they act and treat people badly yet get good luck. Some people try to do nothing but good and get horrific luck. It's an idea of general world karma. Right now, the world in gerneral is in pretty deep shit, bad karma all the way. I think that that pretty much sums up how I feel. I've always been very confused about it all. I don't believe in god, and I think that religion in general is just a crock of shit. Isn't the number 1 thing in every religion supposed to be tolerance? Look at all the hurt it causes. Although when I went to all the churches in Europe (not as a religious thing, just to see some incredible architecture), it does start to make you question is there something out there? But I mean if god does exist, what for devine intervention? What, was he on holiday in the Bahamas on 9/11? I love science though - big bang and evolution over the garden of Eden any day. As for Karma, I really don't know. Once again, Trev, I think you've kinda summed it up. There's like a general "vibe" that goes around the world, and the worse that "vibe" gets, the more chance there is of something bad happening - which I guess is a very obvious thing to be saying. And it then goes to a personal level - if you feel negative, chances are you will create your own bad luck/karma. Well that was a bit of an aimless rant.... The moral I guess is, just be good to people.
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Apr 9, 2004 7:33:44 GMT 7
Post by stumbleine on Apr 9, 2004 7:33:44 GMT 7
I'm guessing a few insects' legs, according to your sig! Hmmm ... extra flavour. *licks lips*
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Apr 9, 2004 9:40:12 GMT 7
Post by curious on Apr 9, 2004 9:40:12 GMT 7
Life... is... good.
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Apr 9, 2004 16:15:33 GMT 7
Post by AlmostOz on Apr 9, 2004 16:15:33 GMT 7
id agree with that Well seeing as though i started the thread i better do mine.. Me, im not so much as i don't believe in god, as in im more i don't know about god. sometimes i pretend to send thoughts to god, but its a different definition. I don't think faith as such should be set around a set of values as more its just something you are convinced of that are yours, not someone elses. I think that god is fair. About the bahamas i have a couple of reasons. If youve seen bruce almighty, then imagine if everyone in the world got everything they wanted.... If you don't get something you want, its obviously because you need to work harder to get it, not wish about it. Another one is : God is eternal (in all religions and most peoples minds) so, if you have an infinite timeline, then you are going to take a long time to grow up. So its possible that god may have existed for the same time as the earth, but that billions of years to us may only constitute 1 year to god. So all the death in pain is just a learning curve thats going to take a long time. When you are young you really don't understand good and bad, until your parents teach you what is right and wrong. But what do you do if you have noone to teach you? you experiment. so we are gods experiment. About karma, i think that as a general rule, you get what you deserve and if you treat someone badly, you will probably get treated badly. O and curious - you are the anti tyler.
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Apr 9, 2004 18:19:06 GMT 7
Post by nitrousovercast on Apr 9, 2004 18:19:06 GMT 7
Life! Argh.
I believe in fate. I think I do. I know I believe in life going the way you choose it to go. Make mistakes and learn from them. I tried to get out...but I'm still here, and I know how much of a mistake it was even to try.
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Apr 9, 2004 20:46:06 GMT 7
Post by sunky on Apr 9, 2004 20:46:06 GMT 7
ok ... life ... well i won't bring religion into this, because thats a whole other story that to me has no importance to my life and path I take. i love hearing others views on life, its all something we have and some people value it more than others ... its such an odd thing when you think about it. Life is defined by time, something we cannot change or get more of if we want. Life is full of highs and lows. Even when I am at my lowest low I know that eventually around the corner I will get on top of things and that I will experience another high [not drug related highs ] ... this also makes me weary when things are going a little 'to-well'. I know a low is coming along. I might come back to the whole life thing ... arhhh religion: God didn't give man religion - Man gave god religion. People use religion as a way to justify their actions. An example: "I don't accept gays - because its against my religion" ... this shits me. People loose their own judgement and begin to live their lives by the morals set by others. Its alright to be like that when you're a kid and live by what your parents tell you too ... but not when you're an adult. I dislike all forms of organised religion, because it all ends up being about money and power at the end of the day. The power of keeping people in your beliefs by putting fear into them. Fear is what religion is based on. If you make people afraid of 'not' doing what you say ... they'll beleive anything you say. In my opinion, Jesus was an extremely good politician, who most likely did good while he was alive. But over the years the story of what he accomplished changed alot ... and suited his followers. I have a sister, 6 yrs older than me,who was an extremely smart, out going, studying at uni, worked full-time and independant woman. She married, her husband was not religious at all. After 2 years of marriage they became involved in an organised religion, and are basically Christian. Once they joined this religion, my sister begun to tell me that Dinosaurs were never around and it was science spreading lies. My same sister who when I was in yr 7 helped me with a projact of the evolution of man. Her life values have changed so much that now my sister is not allowed to work, is not allowed to hug me or my brother or even my dad - why?? ... becuase we are males who do not belong to her church. She is not allowed to cut her hair, she basically is nothing like the sister I loved when I was a kid. Though this has happened to me, I don't feel that all religions are like this ..... but this just can show how religion can change a person. Religion is also at the root of all wars. All wars that have ever been fought are not due to politics ... it is due to religious conflicts. I am not saying people should stop believing in a god etc ... but they should all wake the fuck up and stop wasting time at churches etc ... they are just buildings. if god is everywhere - sit in your toilet and pray to him or her. Stop giving money to pay for priets to mess up kids lives ... if the Vatican City gave up their gold etc they could stop hunger worldwide basically. Organised religion, as i said it equals - power, money and greed. ...
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Apr 10, 2004 16:57:46 GMT 7
Post by AlmostOz on Apr 10, 2004 16:57:46 GMT 7
i wake up every morning.
lol i had more to say but i forgot. thats profound enough as it is i think
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Apr 11, 2004 8:26:42 GMT 7
Post by stumbleine on Apr 11, 2004 8:26:42 GMT 7
The sun doesn't go down. It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round.
Sorry I had to quote the flaming lips.
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Apr 11, 2004 14:10:25 GMT 7
Post by soundslikequiet on Apr 11, 2004 14:10:25 GMT 7
if the Vatican City gave up their gold etc they could stop hunger worldwide basically. Organised religion, as i said it equals - power, money and greed. ... That was one of the best posts I have read in a good while. Nice one Simon. I particularly liked how at the start of the post you said you wouldn't bring religion into it If god exists (and I'll re-iterate that I don't think he does), I fail to see how he would give a shit if you go to church every Sunday and live your life exactly by the bible. The way I'd see it is, you die, go to heaven, god's sitting there, he says - yeah you shoplifted that once when you were 15, and you cheated on your taxes once, but I remember that time when you helped that old lady across the road, and you looked after that sick animal, yeah you're a good person at heart, come in. I'm quite he doesn't say, oh great, you suicide bombed 100 people, come on in, the virgins are waiting. Religion can just be so hypocritical, and it makes me bloody angry. Oh well, what can ya do............?
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Apr 11, 2004 18:13:42 GMT 7
Post by toolgasm on Apr 11, 2004 18:13:42 GMT 7
I have a sister, 6 yrs older than me,who was an extremely smart, out going, studying at uni, worked full-time and independant woman. She married, her husband was not religious at all. After 2 years of marriage they became involved in an organised religion, and are basically Christian. Once they joined this religion, my sister begun to tell me that Dinosaurs were never around and it was science spreading lies. My same sister who when I was in yr 7 helped me with a projact of the evolution of man. Her life values have changed so much that now my sister is not allowed to work, is not allowed to hug me or my brother or even my dad - why?? ... becuase we are males who do not belong to her church. She is not allowed to cut her hair, she basically is nothing like the sister I loved when I was a kid. Far out sunky, I'm so sorry that that's happened...I mean losing a sister to some crazy Christian cult, that would be completely devastating! Not being able to hug her own brother or father...That's just lunacy. And I mean isn't that supposed to be a part of religion too, having tolerance and respect for other peoples' belief systems? That's why everything falls to pieces, cause that is rarely, if ever, achieved.
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Apr 13, 2004 7:50:53 GMT 7
Post by stumbleine on Apr 13, 2004 7:50:53 GMT 7
i quoted jacqui, because she said sorry, as if someone was going to get angry. Let them get angry i say
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Apr 13, 2004 9:29:52 GMT 7
Post by AlmostOz on Apr 13, 2004 9:29:52 GMT 7
i didn't mean to hassle you, sometimes i just get off topic, or say dumb stuff late at night youve probably noticed
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Apr 13, 2004 9:36:10 GMT 7
Post by stumbleine on Apr 13, 2004 9:36:10 GMT 7
its all good. I say stupid/irrelevant things all the time. eh
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Apr 13, 2004 10:03:09 GMT 7
Post by sunky on Apr 13, 2004 10:03:09 GMT 7
i had some 'churchy' people come and knock on my door one weekend and asked me this question:
Out of these 3 topics, which one affects our society the most these days. Terrorism, Depression or Family Issues.
I said to them, none of those - Organised Religion was my answer. It divides people up, it creates conflict.
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Apr 13, 2004 18:47:04 GMT 7
Post by PaRkA on Apr 13, 2004 18:47:04 GMT 7
i waited to have my say about this, simply because im very confused about what i believe, and what i want to believe.
considering all the things that i have been thru i sometimes wonder that maybe there is a higher being (or what ever you want to call it), but at the same time it makes me wonder why i have been made to go thru these things, and the reasons for it happening. if there was a higher being what amakes this being let me experience so much pain, and not others. and at the same time why have they kept me alive when other people have sucumbed to far less.
then theres the question of if i have been put thru all this, why? is there a purpose is there no purpose? these sort of things play with my head so much, that i now tend to just go with the flow, just be.
i can understand why peole need religion, but i cant understand why they need a church, when jesus was alive (supposedly) there were no churches, your place of prayer was the space you stood in, your faith was concealed in your heart, i dont understand why now we need to be put in a certain place to be considered, and why for the life of me that we need to part with money to do it...
just some thoughts...
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Apr 14, 2004 7:27:02 GMT 7
Post by .honeyspider. on Apr 14, 2004 7:27:02 GMT 7
considering all the things that i have been thru i sometimes wonder that maybe there is a higher being (or what ever you want to call it), but at the same time it makes me wonder why i have been made to go thru these things, and the reasons for it happening. if there was a higher being what amakes this being let me experience so much pain, and not others. and at the same time why have they kept me alive when other people have sucumbed to far less. then theres the question of if i have been put thru all this, why? is there a purpose is there no purpose? these sort of things play with my head so much, that i now tend to just go with the flow, just be.. i know what u mean, i havent said anything yet because i am so bloody confused too.. right now alot of stuff is going through my mind, and this question on life seems way too hard for me. in the past year especially i have had major ups and downs, and it is starting to get to a point where i wonder... what is the point of all this? is there a point? but on a higher level, like why am i here? what am i doing? should i stick to my morals and values in hope of finding the life i want, the husband i want etc.. and not settling for anything that is a "maybe" for now.. or should i just go and have fun and do whatever pleases me at the time.. whatever makes me happy in the "now" not in the distant future.. i mean that is the question really. my main focus in life has been to find my other half, i dont want to be alone.. and its hard because i already feel like i have pushed people away because i dont want to venture into a full on relationship til im really sure that it has a possibility of lasting forever, or kept people around who were obviously not for me because i was lonely and my sexual/emotional urges took over. i guess this post verges on the morals thread too in a way, but it all ties up for me really. i mean with life, so many people wait for something higher, something better.. and i'm sure that alot of those people die waiting for it. is that the way to live your life? or should u just go for it when it comes up. it seems to me like there is too much holding back and not enough living in the moment. but on the other hand, living in the moment can cause heartache and mistakes. but we learn from our mistakes right? so this is why i am confused.. argh! anyway thats just the tip of the iceberg with me... my head is a mess when it comes to this! help! ;D
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Apr 14, 2004 7:29:45 GMT 7
Post by .honeyspider. on Apr 14, 2004 7:29:45 GMT 7
i wake up every morning. lol i had more to say but i forgot. thats profound enough as it is i thinkhehe classic
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Apr 14, 2004 18:25:19 GMT 7
Post by AlmostOz on Apr 14, 2004 18:25:19 GMT 7
Are you like me thinking that you wish you could be with someone and single att he same time? as in sorta be two people that is you, and one do something and the other do the opposite?. Its like our choices are limited, and even though you want to do both you can't. (oppurtunity cost in economics terms). There is a gray area where i could do both, but thats where morals come in, and im not going to cheat. the wakeup thing is just me saying thats about all i know. im like jimmy from the zwan dvd. Check the cover, just read the inside cover, thats all i know ..
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