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Post by trev on Apr 6, 2004 15:31:42 GMT 7
I've been thinking about this for a bit recently, especailly after the billy post on zwan.
I'm interested to know what sort of people you all want to be, and what you end up being in real life. Also if your religion if any affects either answer.
eg. I have found over the years that i truley believe that christianity is the way I want to live my life with respect to morals and ethics, how i act and treat people, yet i'm not religious at all. I don't just mean non-practising, i mean i don't believe.
But how i have been living my life is different. I try of course, but it's hard to be as "good as jesus" all the time. But i do try. Right now i think i'm nearly there, some of the time i can do it, sometimes i feel a little alone in my world of beliefs, and it gets hard to keep yourself motivated to be who you want to be when so many hundreds of others are quite happy for them and you to be so much less.
I'm not saying i don't like how others are moraly/ethicly, it's up to them, i respect them, but i might not agree with them. i want that in return too, but that's the hard part.
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Post by Tristessa on Apr 7, 2004 10:09:11 GMT 7
I'm pretty much on the same road with you there Trev. I believe that every religion is more or less the same having a god/leader and having a 'bible' or scriptures to adhere to which all pretty much say the same thing. So i do not put myself into any religion I believe what i think is true and try to be the best person that i can, good good to others etc just like religion strives.
I have tried several times in my life to be a christian but I really cannot commit to the religion and I always have had really bad experiences. I had a group of friends in college that were christians and I supported them in every way that i could to show them that I respected them for what they believed in. However by the end of college I found they didn't want to be friends with me anymore purely because I had known become a christian and that they couldn't stand the thought of me 'burning in hell'.
Its really sad that they would pray and preach all these things but act to obviously hyprocritical. Their actions did not align with their beliefs.
No wonder we have wars throughout time and now around the world, which the majority of them are attributed to religion where people cannot tolerate different beliefs, when in my own community, there is no tolerence at all for having different beliefs, morals, ethics.
Tolerence for being different, whatever it may be, is the key that people need to help some of the bad things in this world.
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Post by stumbleine on Apr 7, 2004 13:00:26 GMT 7
I treat people with as much respect as possible, thinking they'll treat me with as much in return. I'm usually a very tolerant person. It takes alot to annoy me and really get under my skin. I like honesty and I try to be as honest as I think is necessary. There are just some things people don't need to know. People are all equal and I treat them that way.
Basically, I treat people how I want to be treated. But if they treat me like shit after I've been nice to them, I'll treat them shit too. Right now, I am the person I want to be.
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Post by .honeyspider. on Apr 11, 2004 13:09:05 GMT 7
general comment here:
all i have to say is.. whatever your morals and ethics are, stick to them.. there is nothing worse than going back on your morals.. especially when they are supposed to mean so much to you, and they affect the people you love and care about too.
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Post by AlmostOz on Apr 11, 2004 14:30:07 GMT 7
i just try and be a good person. you get what you deserve.
sure i slip up sometimes, but everyone does.
Me i want to be a zoo keeper/farmer, but ive taken the wrong steps to doing that so i might just volunteer there when i retire.
heading towards being an economist.
(are we defined by the jobs we do?)
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Post by stumbleine on Apr 13, 2004 7:54:25 GMT 7
No no no ... we shouldn't be defined by the jobs we do. God help if we are. I'm a checkout chick and I'm not that perky and happy all the time.
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Post by .honeyspider. on Apr 14, 2004 7:40:31 GMT 7
i just try and be a good person. you get what you deserve. sure i slip up sometimes, but everyone does. Me i want to be a zoo keeper/farmer, but ive taken the wrong steps to doing that so i might just volunteer there when i retire. heading towards being an economist. (are we defined by the jobs we do?) thats awesome.. i wanted to be a zoo keeper.. hehe..  and no.. we are NOT defined by our jobs.. i sure as hell hope not anyway, koz i have been a maccas chick, a call centre bithc, a bank bitch.. and now i work for a superannuation fund. yikes. not good at all however... yes.. morals... trevor... do u think that there are a lot of people who are close to you that do not respect your morals koz they dont agree with them? i was just wondering. because i know i try to respect your morals. it is very hard sometimes, as you well know, but all in all, i respect them.. even the ones i dont agree with. or were u talking about when you maybe get in a situation where there is a chance for someone to take "advantage" of u and your morals, and you are weak at the time, and it could go either way? because in those cases, yes it is very hard to stick to your morals.. because if u have someone in front of u saying "no do this, it will be fun.. " or whatever... it becomes very very hard, especially when u like doing the particular thing... and sometimes u need the other person to say "hey stop, you believe this dont u? maybe we shouldnt be doing this/saying this.. etc" but then u cant expect others to stop u from doing it, only help u. so yeah, i guess the whole respect thing makes sense. even if u dont believe what someone else does, make sure u respect them.. and even in situations where u have a chance to take "advantage" of them.. meaning u want to do something that they have told u they didnt want to.. but they are in a weak state, so it would be easy for them to slip up... bring it up!!! even just a "hey, are u thinking about what u are doing/going to do right now.." or "are u sure??" it will be hard, especiallyt if u want to do it, and its not against YOUR morals.... but they will thank u for it in the future, and it will also earn u respect from them in return xx |
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Post by Gumby on May 3, 2004 7:02:28 GMT 7
Also to put some truth in the discussion. Sorry guys you dont get to heaven by "having good morals like Jesus" or by "doing good". Hitler thought he was doing good. Do you think he is in heaven? Also on christians being hypocritical. It s sad but true. But you have to relise that when you become a christian it doesnt meen you stop sining. Christians still sin and thats why there are so many divisions within the church and other problems. I am a christian and I know that cause what the bible has taught me. Just out of quriosty. Who has read so of both the old and new testiments?
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Post by PaRkA on May 3, 2004 9:47:26 GMT 7
i have read both, more recently the new testament....
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Post by ImOnMyOwn on May 5, 2004 15:39:04 GMT 7
Right now i think i'm nearly there, some of the time i can do it, sometimes i feel a little alone in my world of beliefs, and it gets hard to keep yourself motivated to be who you want to be when so many hundreds of others are quite happy for them and you to be so much less.Trev, I totally agree. I am glad I have found someone like you though, who is similar in beliefs to me.. it makes it feel a bit easier knowing other people are going through it too and are striving for something so similar
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Post by m!ke on May 6, 2004 20:05:14 GMT 7
I'm interested to know what sort of people you all want to be, and what you end up being in real life. Also if your religion if any affects either answer life is one big test of character in my opinion. no-one can have a perfect run without making wrong decisions, because thats part of the game. to me, ur morals and ethics are the rules in which u play the game. i have just (1 year ago) finished 12+ years of education in catholic skools. since i finished skool, i have not been to church. my family goes, but i choose not to. i still believe everything i was taught, i believe in the morals and ethics in life that have come from my religion (which is not to say i live 100% by them, which no-one can) wat i dont believe in is the thought that by not going to church every sunday or not praying every night makes u a bad person in the eyes of religion. i try hard to ensure i stick to my morals and ethics, and i think i do ok. in my eye's, living life guided by morals and ethics that have ultimetly come from my relgion and not always doing the physical/practical side (eg going to church every week), is 'better' (for lack of a better term) than going to church every sunday, then on monday not giving up your seat on the bus for an elderly person. mite all be jibberish, but sometimes what you think you want to write doesnt always get typed that way! |
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Post by AlmostOz on May 10, 2004 12:43:41 GMT 7
sucks if you are hardcore religion. you wouldn't really be able to use hubs (MICK!  ) / p2p. thou shall not steal |
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Post by .honeyspider. on May 20, 2004 10:48:17 GMT 7
life is one big test of character in my opinion. no-one can have a perfect run without making wrong decisions, because thats part of the game. to me, ur morals and ethics are the rules in which u play the game. i tend to agree... however, i wouldve put it more like.. you should have morals and ethics and you should try to stick by them.. but if and WHEN you do slip up, that is the real test of character... being able to admit u were wrong, or made a mistake, and jump back on your horse so to speak and learn from them... and move on. i believe that everyone makes mistakes and no-one is "perfect" in that sense... but i think that over this past year especially i have learnt that the real test is overcomng your errors and mistakes and knowing that u can still be a good person at the end of it.. if u are strong enough to know what u did wrong and move forward. as soon as a mistake is made or a "moral" is broken.. (or whatever u want to call it... ) once u have sorted out how it happened and why it happened, i believe if u are strong in character and actually KNOW what you have done and why it is "against" your morals in doing it, it will be easier next time not to make that same mistake. i also believe though, that you can actually learn through those "mistakes" .... that sometimes your morals and ethics werent actually what you wanted but what society wants, or those close to you. i was sort of living off other peoples morals who were close to me.. and it wasnt til i slipped up on those morals i thought "hey i actually WANT to be doing this.. this is what i believe.. even thoguh they dont believe that.." and its not wrong at all.. its good! so in slipping up.. you can find out alot about yourself and others.. and what you really want in life. oh gees that was a ramble and a half! i hope it isnt jibberish.. xox d |
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Post by m!ke on May 25, 2004 19:29:21 GMT 7
sucks if you are hardcore religion. you wouldn't really be able to use hubs (MICK! ) / p2p. thou shall not steal LOL ! lucky im not hardcore religion, im more like ultra soft-non existant-core religion these days hahaha .... (should i be laughin about that???  ) |
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Post by blue_june_destroyer on Jun 27, 2004 21:59:37 GMT 7
i don't believe in religion.
everyone needs to believe in THEMSELVES before taking on some other set of concrete beliefs.
so, in saying that, I believe that religion is only for the lost, unsure, ---- those whom don't know what next step to take and therefore look to some higher power to help make that decision for them.
Frankly I can't stand organised religion. in many cases I've personally seen, it stops individuals from being just that --- individuals and turns them into mindless followers. Everything becomes about the church and about 'what jesus would want me to do'...
I hope to be a well-known or at least successful graphic designer and perhaps even a successful business person, and of course a faithful partner.
I'm putting in the hard yards at the moment, studying for the next 3 years just so i can instill more of a sense of belief in myself and my already strengthening abilities in my chosen field.
As I said before, religion will NOT be the 'driving force' behind my success. My success and outcome will be determined by my strong will and a powerful sense of belief in my own abilities and my own personal attributes.
Pretending that some higher power has made it all possible would only be kidding myself. Sure I could make myself believe that 'god' is gonna make everything alright in the end no matter what, but i just don't know how i'd sleep at night entrusting all my faith and belief in a good final outcome in some fictitious religious figurehead/false idol.
i don't mean to offend, but this thread calls for personal opinions and this is what i'm giving. this is my take on the whole issue.
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Post by Friends of P. on Jul 17, 2004 1:46:30 GMT 7
Bree(hope I spelleth that righteth) I strongly agree.
Organised religion sucks ass.
Christianity: this religion was actually created by Jesus's disciple Peter the first pope who as all good catholic schooled kiddles know was a liar and based most of his actions from guilt. How telling!
The only person I every really thought was cool in that religion was St francis of Assissi, he was a regal lord and ditched all his finery to the poor so he could hang in the wilderness with animals Grizzly Addams style.
As for me:
Upon meeting you;
if I like you I like you, if I don't I won't make your time around me unpleasant unless you do so to me first.
My rule of relationships et al
Fool me once shame on me
Fool me twice shame for you
that doesn't mean I'm gonna get all vindictive it just means I'll wipe you if you try to fuck me over with bullshit more than once.
On charity:
Do not give money to anyone who can afford to advertise, rather shame them publicly whenever you get the chance for diverting needed funds to TV personalities and cocaine addict advertising executives.
Never give to cardboard sign people, they are the laziest of lazy. And never give money to homeless, offer to buy them a hot meal. Otherwise you are part of the problem if they are actually homelss because they have some addiction.
A homeless guy sold me a poem the other day for my spare change, I thought that was a pretty fair deal. from my 3$ he could make 30 more copies to barter off at any good officeworks.
On bands that "Sell Out"
I don't think there is a band that ever got a record deal without compromising their aritistic integrity apart from janes addiction who had offers thrown at their feet and wrote up their own contract(please let me know if there is another hmm maybe prince, nah he had that law suite thing) Every band has to do this just a little, problem being sometimes when you are with a label for too long your views and theirs become intermeched. So always remind yourself of your clear goal.
that's about all I can think of at 4am in a drunken state
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