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Post by sunkissed on Jul 9, 2007 11:44:57 GMT 7
I was thinking about this last night; to the best of my knowledge they haven't played any Pumpkins tracks co-written with James, ie Mayonaise,
I Am One etc...
Their absence may be because Billy doesn't think it's 'right' (insert justification) to play songs that he wrote with James.
I haven't heard Billy talk at all about this choice of songs in setlists other than the recent radio interview where he talks about the record with Jimmy in which I believe Jimmy says something to the extent of "We will be playing the darker pumpkins" because "you can understand the sunshine when you've been standing in the rain"...
Can anyone clarify this?
So, not to douse Sunky's hopes of Mayonaise! But perhaps this is a reason for it's absence?
(also, this would be awful because we may never hear SOMA live again...)
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2007 14:09:21 GMT 7
With respect to your opinion i would have to disagree...It would just be odd that Billy would bring back the Pumpkins without James, but then not play songs he wrote with James out of respect, a bit of a cop out...
But hey, it could be a number of things and time will tell.
And i'm with you on Soma!
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Post by boelsen on Jul 9, 2007 15:53:36 GMT 7
didnt someone mention that they soundchecekd mayo? i doubt they'd soundcheck it without any thoughts of playing it live
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Post by foxy on Jul 9, 2007 17:15:41 GMT 7
yeah, they soundchecked it.
Also james had alot of contributions to songs that weren't worthy of songwriting credits (solo for zero springs straight to mind) and while technically its not the same as having songwriting credits, the presence is clearly felt. If billy didnt want to play songs because of James' contribution i don't think he would have started the pumpkins up again.
I reckon they either A) havent practiced it enough yet or B) just dont want to play it.
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Post by trev on Jul 9, 2007 19:13:36 GMT 7
and daydream has been played, so it would be weird to "respect" james but not darcy in the setlists.
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Post by *Shard of Glass* on Jul 9, 2007 20:24:37 GMT 7
yeah, they soundchecked it. Also james had alot of contributions to songs that weren't worthy of songwriting credits (solo for zero springs straight to mind) and while technically its not the same as having songwriting credits, the presence is clearly felt. If billy didnt want to play songs because of James' contribution i don't think he would have started the pumpkins up again. I reckon they either A) havent practiced it enough yet or B) just dont want to play it. I agree Foxy. Muzzle is another example of James' contribution without credit. |
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Post by sunkissed on Jul 10, 2007 1:50:49 GMT 7
yeah, so much for that shortsighted proposal, ha!
I guess this thread can be deleted.
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Post by sunky on Jul 10, 2007 21:11:47 GMT 7
hehe. I actually thought the same thing after the first few shows happened. But after Billy started playing some of the other tracks, I got the feeling there are other reasons.
In one of the recent shows Billy says he knows Geek USA, but just doesn't want to play it. You hear Jimmy say something like "I can play it!" I get the feeling that they are either saving these (and other tracks) for the Fillmore gigs or Billy just isnt ready to dust these songs off yet.
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Post by PaRkA on Jul 10, 2007 22:28:35 GMT 7
cobwebs... its all about the cobwebs....
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Post by Tragic Ether on Jul 11, 2007 8:25:47 GMT 7
Ok - heres a theory that I've been sitting on for a while (I'm not sure how accurate it is though) Fact - Muzzle was supposed to be a single off Mellon Collie Fact - Thirty-Three was the fisrt single post J.C.'s dismissal Thirty-Three has a distinct absence of drums - was this song released as a single so as not to draw attention to the missing Jimmy? Please be gentle in shooting me down  |
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Post by Tragic Ether on Jul 11, 2007 8:27:28 GMT 7
Oh - if youre wondering how the above post is relevent to the thread - my point is: Do the Pumpkins promote/perform songs that dont include all original creators (or something to that end)
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Post by brendo on Jul 11, 2007 12:53:43 GMT 7
if that were the case they wouldve stopped playing any songs with drums live?
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Post by *Shard of Glass* on Jul 12, 2007 20:24:43 GMT 7
I'll cream when they play Geek USA again.  |
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Post by brendo on Jul 13, 2007 0:06:10 GMT 7
I read that as Greek USA.
And I was about to say, Billy needs more chest hair for that...
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Post by milan on Jul 13, 2007 9:35:52 GMT 7
Man, I hope they start playing Mayonaise, just like they did at the Del Mar Fairgrounds Concert (1993-10-26). That show had the best live versions of both Disarm & Mayonaise i've heard! I read that as Greek USA. And I was about to say, Billy needs more chest hair for that... ...& back hair, & nose hair, & ear hair, & elbow hair ect.  |
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Post by Eye on Jul 21, 2007 15:03:13 GMT 7
Ok - heres a theory that I've been sitting on for a while (I'm not sure how accurate it is though) Fact - Muzzle was supposed to be a single off Mellon Collie Fact - Thirty-Three was the fisrt single post J.C.'s dismissal Thirty-Three has a distinct absence of drums - was this song released as a single so as not to draw attention to the missing Jimmy? Please be gentle in shooting me down I don't think it was so much to draw attention away from the missing Jimmy but actually to draw attention to it. It would have been kind of weird for them to do a video for song that features Jimmy on drums but then only Billy, James and D'arcy be in it. The song and the video for Thirty-Three have a somber and contemplative tone (well not that Muzzle isn't contemplative, but I hope you know what I mean). I think it was quite appropriate given all that had happened over the course of the 'Summer of Tragedy' as it was once called. It also brought us down quietly from the saga that was MCIS. |
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Post by sunkissed on Nov 11, 2008 23:02:52 GMT 7
"I was thinking about this last night; to the best of my knowledge they haven't played any Pumpkins tracks co-written with James, ie Mayonaise, I Am One etc...
Their absence may be because Billy doesn't think it's 'right' (insert justification) to play songs that he wrote with James.
So, not to douse Sunky's hopes of Mayonaise! But perhaps this is a reason for it's absence?
(also, this would be awful because we may never hear SOMA live again...)"
....so, judging from If All Goes Wrong, I was close!
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Post by middleearthguy on Nov 11, 2008 23:27:04 GMT 7
uh guys ... From the Boca Raton show in florida in the warm up shows in August. They're playing Mayo.... I saw it 3 times |
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Post by sunkissed on Nov 12, 2008 0:07:24 GMT 7
hahaha yeah, I was doing the whole reviving really really old post pathetic gloating thing...when we were wondering why they hadn't played mayonaise and soma...
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Post by middleearthguy on Nov 12, 2008 0:41:58 GMT 7
Yeah I saw the dates , just wasnt aware if you'd relised they'd actually started playing them again |
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Post by Josh on Nov 12, 2008 4:25:40 GMT 7
plus, they played it on the australian tour  we saw it too |
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Post by boelsen on Nov 12, 2008 5:43:05 GMT 7
4 times?  |
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Post by sunky on Nov 12, 2008 5:58:06 GMT 7
yep. you were close with the reasoning ... also opens this up to all the other songs too, could other tracks like Geek, I Am One now be layed to rest forever for this reason?
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