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Post by sunky on Mar 21, 2009 6:38:01 GMT 7
THE SMASHING PUMPKINS' BILLY CORGAN ANNOUNCES THE DEPARTURE OF JIMMY CHAMBERLIN FROM THE GROUP CORGAN SET TO HEAD INTO THE STUDIO TO CREATE NEW SMASHING PUMPKINS MUSIC
The SMASHING PUMPKINS' guitarist, singer, songwriter and founding member Billy Corgan has announced that drummer Jimmy Chamberlin has left the group. Chamberlin joined the band Corgan founded in Chicago in 1988 and played on all their albums except Adore (1998). Corgan will continue to write and record as SMASHING PUMPKINS with plans to head into the studio this spring.
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Post by boelsen on Mar 21, 2009 6:42:43 GMT 7
dont really know what to say
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Post by Tragic Ether on Mar 21, 2009 6:45:34 GMT 7
man ive been having a shitty year. this is only getting worse
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Post by sunky on Mar 21, 2009 6:53:48 GMT 7
Im just kind of numb at the moment ... awesome news to wake up too ... this time 2 years ago we were counting down the days till the first show back. So reasons are unsure, nothing confirmed. Could it just be that Jimmy doesn't have the 'energy' to record another album and then tour on it. He's a family guy now, it is a lot to ask with a release of an album. He might just want to do his JCC stuff, do small tours and 'retire' in a way. What does this mean for the Pumpkins? Fuck ... who will Billy find behind the drums? Matt Walker? ... he's tied up with projects ... we are back to the start again. I hate this feeling.
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Post by SPchick on Mar 21, 2009 6:55:12 GMT 7
To quote one of my favourite shows (BSG)
"All this has happened before. All this will happen again."
That's pretty much how I feel about this.
On one hand, it feels like this is the beginning of the end of the band (again). I don't think Billy can be "The Smashing Pumpkins" without Jimmy. We've all heard him talk about how he struggled through the Adore era without him. That said, Adore is probably my favourite SP album... I just don't think he can do it again.
On the other hand, Jimmy has been doing this a long time, and now he has a family I don't think it's as important to him as it was. Maybe he felt he couldn't give the 200% that Corgan requires that thought it would be best to make way for someone who could.
Course, I'm just speculating.
At the moment I'm trying to figure out why I'm not upset about this. When he left the band the first time I was shattered, when D'arcy left I felt sick, when the band announced they were breaking up I literally cried and mourned them. Right now I'm just like, such is life.
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Post by Josh on Mar 21, 2009 6:55:16 GMT 7
this sucks
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Post by sunky on Mar 21, 2009 7:27:00 GMT 7
Vic Im with you on this, the same way of thinking. This might not be a forever thing. I got to see Jimmy play live though, so that is pretty amazing.
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Post by boelsen on Mar 21, 2009 7:27:46 GMT 7
has the family side of things changed that much for jimmy since they 'reformed' though? at the moment i'm leaning towards wishing they'd break up as its just billy and hired guns now i'm sure i'll regret saying that later though.
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Post by wolfbite on Mar 21, 2009 7:35:15 GMT 7
Maybe Tinted Windows are going to run with 2 drummers ;o) JOKING!!!!!
This is fucked.
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Post by Cygnet on Mar 21, 2009 7:43:21 GMT 7
woah.
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Post by neverchange on Mar 21, 2009 8:04:09 GMT 7
i was excited to click on the email... then i was sad... now im confused...
i wait...
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Post by russticles on Mar 21, 2009 8:04:22 GMT 7
?!?!?!?!?!?!
Man what the hell?! Jimmy's such a huge part of SP's sound!!!!!! He's irreplacable!
This sucks, especially considering after all the interviews where JC and BC would say how they're musical soul mates and are in this together. Man what shit news to wake up to :(((((( Hopefully Jimmy's leaving doesn't lead to another Adore-esque album (not that Adore was bad but there was a huge change in gears when he left before).
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Post by autolux on Mar 21, 2009 8:10:38 GMT 7
death to the false pumpkins..
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Post by russticles on Mar 21, 2009 8:32:19 GMT 7
Oh yeah, remember how going to www.jimmychamberlin.com would take you to a page with a link to SP.com and JCC.com??? Well now it goes directly to JCC.com, they didn't waste any time. I went to the site a week or 2 ago and the 2 links were still there so it must've been changed as soon as the decision to leave was made. Didn't waste any time...
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Post by cleanwhitesheets on Mar 21, 2009 8:38:53 GMT 7
don't really know what to say - only that i'm interested in hearing jimmy's opinion on the situation before i start hypothesizing about why this event has transpired..
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Post by sunky on Mar 21, 2009 8:41:38 GMT 7
I noticed that too Russ JCC also recently set up their own twitter. twitter.com/jccomplexStarting to think this has been on the cards for a while now, hmm.
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Post by de-tec-tive on Mar 21, 2009 8:47:12 GMT 7
WHAT THE FUCK.
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Post by brendo on Mar 21, 2009 9:02:49 GMT 7
I think it's time for everyone to throw on MCIS at full volume and lament the loss of one of rock's greatest drummers from one of rock's greatest bands. *does so*
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Post by russticles on Mar 21, 2009 9:35:10 GMT 7
I noticed that too Russ JCC also recently set up their own twitter. twitter.com/jccomplexStarting to think this has been on the cards for a while now, hmm. Hah no way... I guess this I may have to join twitter myself now... Atleast he's still going to remain active musically, just a shame it's not also with SP. It'd be interesting to see who the new drummer is and if the new "live" songs that make it on the album will change much.
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Post by corkydelocke12 on Mar 21, 2009 9:59:13 GMT 7
What the Fuck?! this can't be happening
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Post by the viper on Mar 21, 2009 10:40:42 GMT 7
Really sad news. Tell me it's a hoax. Fuck. But I'm not AS disappointed as I thought I'd be - more "Meh, knew it couldn't last forever, something like this was bound to happen sooner or later". Terribly cynical, I know but sort of sums it up best for me. I think this will signal the end. The Pumpkins are just "The" without Jimmy. End of story. Again, we are let down by the realisation that the promise of things to come will not eventuate. Who needs a drink?
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Post by AndtheWorld on Mar 21, 2009 11:07:24 GMT 7
I'm just glad I got to see the guy play 3 times during the zeitgeist tour, which is amazing. But it's on a similar parrallel to when jon bonham died just bad news all and all after all the musical soulmates things he told us such a great loss to such a great band I don't know whether to be shocked, surprised saddened or all 3 hmmm. I think Billy should continue recording but as himself like with TFE. but thats jus my opinion.
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Post by boelsen on Mar 21, 2009 11:29:37 GMT 7
i hope not having jimmy in the band it doesnt become the billy show, and billy starts to open up to the newer members joining in on the writing of tunes.
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Post by sunky on Mar 21, 2009 11:44:18 GMT 7
Ok so bands like NIN, The Cure and Manson are all about one creative force in control. However, as soon as the Pumpkins lose Jimmy and it becomes all about Billy ... its all over. I find that really interesting. Im not saying that jimmy isn't important, god no, he will never be replaced. But is it that we don't trust Billy to make 'sane' decisions without other members in the band?
Are we thinking this is going to end up like Axl with GnR's rather than Robert Smith with The Cure?
Billy said that when he was going the TFE, everybody still saw that as the Smashing Pumpkins just under a different name. I think we are entering the era where the name the Smashing Pumpkins is Billy, yes not everybody is going to agree with it. But I think that is where it is headed. Who knows it could end up like Foo Fighters where a project with one creative force becomes a solid band line up again.
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Post by boelsen on Mar 21, 2009 11:59:46 GMT 7
NIN has never been more than trent, so you cant really use that as an argument. I guess it also depends on whether a band has been a revolving door from the start, or pretty stable, and now is only left with one person. i would like a band raher than just billy writing so they could maybe control billy a bit, like these stupid ideas about reworking the way bands release music.. i think its stupid, you just have to relerase music in a way people want to pay for it, and not worry about the people who are only half arsed fans and only have interest in singles. NIN, PJ and now placebo show that people still love physcial releases, no matter how expensive they are, aslong as they are worth it. got kinda off topic there
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Post by sunky on Mar 21, 2009 12:22:53 GMT 7
Ok NIN aside, there are still plenty of bands that follow this structure. At some point these bands went through the fans questioning the lead singers choice to continue without the original members, and is it this 2-3 year period we are in now that in 10 years time we might look back at and think. Yeah that had to happen.
I remember thinking on the Australian tour, Jimmy isn't going to be able to drum like that for much longer. 2.5 hours of the drumming he does is going to kill him one day. The guy really had a heart attack at the end of the 07 tour, it could be as simple as that. He physically can't drum like he used too. If he stayed in SP, people would expect him to drum like he always has. Better to walk away now I guess.
I know what you're saying, Billy needs to just get into the studio, record and release. let the music speak, no more telling people what they want. Im with you on that.
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Post by foxy on Mar 21, 2009 14:07:34 GMT 7
Sunks sent me a text and I was working, I was gutted but I've had most of the day to think about it... If it's for the sake of his health or for his family than really you can't say anything but "good on him." I'd imagine it would suck being away from your family all the time... And I'm not sure about the too old to rock angle, people play sports well into their fifties and sixties so I'm not buying that outside of that he may felt it was time to settle down. I'm sure if he wanted to, he would rock our socks off forever.
I know I've said it a million times about my love for the new quieter songs, but I really see this coming a reality now... I really feel like Billy is done with 'rock' and without Jimmy i can't see him doing it.. So I'm hoping they can follow the residency songs, owatta/song for a son, american gothic kinda of vibe.. Keep Jeff, Lisa and Ginger in if they are cool with it and hire a drummer to help keep beats etc, not as a replacement for jimmy (if you get me). Maybe now is a good time to go back to the chicago songs/ church sessions stuff... especially with an archivist going through all that...
I also get the feeling that the Visa commercial was one last pay off before Billy really starts to get into a record and release demo/single songs kind of groove... In a non profit kind of way, Hopefully in the same sort of vein as Ghosts (I-V) or the Slip...
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Post by de-tec-tive on Mar 21, 2009 14:20:14 GMT 7
I really feel like Billy is done with 'rock' and without Jimmy i can't see him doing it.. So I'm hoping they can follow the residency songs, owatta/song for a son, american gothic kinda of vibe.. i'd be really happy if he/they went in that direction i've been thinking about this all day trying to work out what i really think and why... i'm watching IAGW now. anyway, family >>>> everything else
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Post by PaRkA on Mar 21, 2009 16:28:00 GMT 7
i just get the feeling theres something we're missing, im hoping its cos he wants to settle down a bit and be with his family and stuff , but i think that there maybe something else here. i can only hope im proved wrong
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Post by sunky on Mar 21, 2009 17:09:44 GMT 7
I've been back listening through old interviews, maybe Im trying to find something out of nothing ... but do you get the feeling Jimmy just wanted to make music and not deal with all this other bullshit, fighting the bit 'rock n roll' fight?
Also, do you think this has been weeks in announcement? Billy's 'apology' on the SP.com forum? ... I plea to fans for some level of trust?
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