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Post by Cygnet on Aug 11, 2008 15:26:45 GMT 7
Suuuuuuuuuuuure you did. Nah sall good, i added myself via linkage, if you dont accept me though, ooh therell be trouble.
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Post by Tragic Ether on Aug 11, 2008 17:03:09 GMT 7
I guess the big thing is getting bands
If we cant get any bands interested - the plans die right there. Whats the best way to recruit? Considering 95% will probably have to come from Adelaide, should we concentrate our efforts there? Do bands at this level expect riders and stuff?
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Post by scotopic lux on Aug 11, 2008 17:37:59 GMT 7
Jimmy - You are added, please forgive myspace for making me look bad! Did anyone else get invites? Maybe none of them worked? Todd - Good questions, to which I have no answers! How awesome would it be if we could get just 1 band that has some popularity to really push this over the edge, and to close the night off. *sigh* Perhaps we should put a call of interest out on myspace, see who responds, we can listen to some demos. Once we get a date set that may rule out some bands depending on their schedules etc. Its like a vicious circle - what comes first the bands or the date or the venue or the general plans? Ok, a four sided circle then
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Post by Tragic Ether on Aug 11, 2008 18:12:14 GMT 7
Ok - theoretically, if I start to approach band managers;
When is the gig likely to be? What sorta cut will the bands get (are we paying them - or is it volunteer stuff)? What else will i need to know before i ask anyone anything?
I do know a few managers and stuff - but im reluctant to go to them without anything solid.
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Post by Cygnet on Aug 11, 2008 19:02:34 GMT 7
Well like i said before, I spoke to the Quiet Child guys and they were enthusiastic about it, ill have to nut out details with them and whatnot, but if you want them, theyre there and i can negotiate payment with them, whatever you think is reasonable. for those who havet heard them: www.myspace.com/quietchildthebandcheck out discipline, probably the best representation of their sound out of the songs up atm here are a couple of vids of recent live stuff if you want proof of quality: Obviously it would be awesome if we could somehow pull a big band to headline the night somehow, not sure who though... SILVERCHAIR!!! LOL ;D
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Post by Cygnet on Aug 11, 2008 19:09:15 GMT 7
Oh and yeah we need to kinda figure out what way we want to go with the payment thing, do we want to try and give each band a certain cut of the door as previously or what?
On the hire form for the venue we have an option of paying a flat fee to them or giving them a cut of the door but i think they need to make a certain amount and we have to lay down some first.. ill have to reread, but yeah stuff we need to think about.
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Post by Cygnet on Aug 12, 2008 16:29:07 GMT 7
A couple of legal/cost things, if we are to use the venue i suggested, we need to take out public liability, workers comp asnd property insurance. I assume this would be much the same for most venues... what was the go with this for the previous shows? If the cost ends up being ridiculous i think maybe we can work the event thru a management organisation who will already have all of this down, or alternatively we find a venue that takes the liability on itself. Im looking into this stuff
Also, with licensing of songs, i know it doesnt really matter, im just concerned because we are going to be promoting it AS a puimpkins cover show, so the deal is:
"Concerts, festivals, dance parties and other events with a box office (ie ticket sales) are usually licensed on an event by event basis. Licence fees are calculated as a percentage of the gross box office receipts and are generally paid after the event, but in some cases an advance payment is required. As part of administering the licence you will need to ensure that all performers complete a list of the works they perform and return these to APRA within 30 days of the event. The song lists allow us to identify who should receive royalty payments."
Ill try to make a table of costs and whatnot once i get some figures together.
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Post by autolux on Aug 12, 2008 19:08:02 GMT 7
cool idea... were there any videos from the show posted?
my bands in the process of adding soma to our cover list... can't wait to bust that out in syd somewhere..
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Post by middleearthguy on Aug 12, 2008 19:40:37 GMT 7
A couple of legal/cost things, if we are to use the venue i suggested, we need to take out public liability, workers comp asnd property insurance. I assume this would be much the same for most venues... what was the go with this for the previous shows? If the cost ends up being ridiculous i think maybe we can work the event thru a management organisation who will already have all of this down, or alternatively we find a venue that takes the liability on itself. Im looking into this stuff Also, with licensing of songs, i know it doesnt really matter, im just concerned because we are going to be promoting it AS a puimpkins cover show, so the deal is: "Concerts, festivals, dance parties and other events with a box office (ie ticket sales) are usually licensed on an event by event basis. Licence fees are calculated as a percentage of the gross box office receipts and are generally paid after the event, but in some cases an advance payment is required. As part of administering the licence you will need to ensure that all performers complete a list of the works they perform and return these to APRA within 30 days of the event. The song lists allow us to identify who should receive royalty payments." Ill try to make a table of costs and whatnot once i get some figures together. Most regular live venues have this cover alreader paid for
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Post by blue_june_destroyer on Aug 12, 2008 20:05:12 GMT 7
Also, with licensing of songs, i know it doesnt really matter, im just concerned because we are going to be promoting it AS a puimpkins cover show, so the deal is: "Concerts, festivals, dance parties and other events with a box office (ie ticket sales) are usually licensed on an event by event basis. Licence fees are calculated as a percentage of the gross box office receipts and are generally paid after the event, but in some cases an advance payment is required. As part of administering the licence you will need to ensure that all performers complete a list of the works they perform and return these to APRA within 30 days of the event. The song lists allow us to identify who should receive royalty payments." Not sure that this matters seeing as it's not something that will be recorded and televised etc. We never did anything like this when we did the Perth one. In fact, I've never heard of something so serious! I guess when SP cover a band's song, they just cover it and that's it. I think we got around this kind of thing because the bands weren't solely playing SP covers. They played some of their own original songs too. But check with the venue booking manager. They'll be able to tell you for certain. I don't think it's going to be such a big deal though seeing as it's a one-off. As far as paying the bands, work out a door price - say $5-7 and check with the venue as to how much they usually take from admission per head as a venue/hire cost. Then split the final amount between the bands and organisers (yourselves). If there's 3 bands, then they each get $1 per admission fee paid. If the venue takes $1, then it leaves $2 per head leftover for the organisers to either pay yourselves or distribute as you wish. Most bands will be glad for any amount you can give them, especially if they're just starting out or trying to get their break. Most don't expect to be paid for doing a tribute concert so it's a nice surprise.
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Post by sunky on Aug 12, 2008 20:18:53 GMT 7
I guess also to add to that the one thing we tried to do when choosing bands was getting bands that were doing it for the love of the Pumpkins, not just seeing this like any other gig. Its something more than that, so a lot of bands played for less than they'd usually get, also a few were annoyed we didn't have riders for them too ... but like we kept saying 'its a way of saying thankyou to the Pumpkins' ...
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Post by scotopic lux on Aug 13, 2008 15:28:08 GMT 7
Thanks for the tips! Im sure there are always going to be things that we dont think of that become issues, but as for the covers etc i will see what i can find out and also if we are thinking fowlers, Jimmy you know where the stage is if you turn and face the wall opposite (behind the sound desk) there is an awesome long white panel that jessy and i were thinking may be a good place to show some video's in between songs, THIS is going to need permission though. I will try and find out some stuff also.
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Post by middleearthguy on Aug 13, 2008 16:05:21 GMT 7
Well I've spoken to my friends in a band from melbourne called Glue www.myspace.com/gluebandThey would be interested in participating pending dates/details etc and would learn some songs for the gig. SP is one of the influences of the band.
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Post by Cygnet on Aug 22, 2008 11:20:24 GMT 7
Ive been speaking to my manager friend Lisa, she seems to think the legal stuff is largely irrelivent and she's never really bothered with it, the venue is just interested in knowing the lineup, date and how many people will be in attendance. She also offered to book the unibar for us if we wanted to do that instead.
First things first though, everyone who plans to attend, lets settle on a date thats good for everyone, July was being thrown around before, is that when people want it? How does July 11 sound, thats a Saturday night and im pretty sure its in the middle of uni holidays for me... but yeah lets just get a firm date down then we can start approaching bands etc...
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Post by scotopic lux on Aug 22, 2008 13:21:19 GMT 7
July sounds good, it seems so far away - but realistically with everyone have uni and TAFE and work, and Xmas approaching fast i cant see us getting our shit together before the end of the year anyway. But then again, July is nearly 12 months away, a lot can change in that time, would it be better to book early next year? Also, is it going to affect others coming from interstate (assuming that y'all will show up ). Because obviously that is a major consideration as we want as many ozphorians there as possible. btw jimmy, has anyone told you lately how awesome you are *hugs*
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Post by Cygnet on Aug 22, 2008 16:41:53 GMT 7
aw Yeah whenever, july was just the date that was being thrown around earlier basically only for international pumpkins day being an excuse to celebrate, but whenever is the best time for people who are planning to travel, its up to you guys im here all year so it doesnt really concern me
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Post by russticles on Aug 24, 2008 18:24:18 GMT 7
Wait, what the hell?? A SP tribute night without Russ? ? I'm shocked!
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Post by Tragic Ether on Sept 10, 2008 18:15:26 GMT 7
SO where are we at with this? Without trying to shift the responsibility - i really think someone from Adelaide (or a small commitee) is gonna have to spearhead this. I really wanna help out - and if i was a Radeladian id be all over it. So i'll try and do everything i can, but i think one or more of you guys *cough cough* Jimmy Kez *cough cough* is gonna have to take the bull by the horns. I can help with an online auditioning/screening test thingy if needs be. But for the mean time I'll put the word out on various other forums as well as the well renowned music website www.loudnoiseandpictures.com and what ever else i can do. But i guess i gotta ask; Do we still wanna go ahead with this? Will anyone from Ozph come to it if we go ahead?
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Post by Steve on Sept 10, 2008 19:52:15 GMT 7
Do we need a rollcall based on that date (July 7 2009) give or take?
Jimmy, Kez, Myself and i would suspect Laura would be in for starters...
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Post by Cygnet on Sept 10, 2008 20:11:43 GMT 7
Yeah I was just waiting to see when was a good time for ppl, maybe i should send mass PMs out. Otherwise its all good to go, Im thinking Unibar is probably best venue for it now, had slipped my mind before. In terms of bands, I can ask around the prominent local bands and see who's interested. Some acts that we may be interested in hiring, i know some are fans, some im not sure about: Id really like to see these guys do some of the more electronic stuff, but not sure if theyd be interested: www.myspace.com/littlebrothersisterI know these guys would probably be in, their guitarist is a big fan: www.myspace.com/doublehanded other than that I can ask round, it'd be cool to get someone like Lady Strangelove to play: www.myspace.com/ladystrangeloveand looking at their influences it seems promising Ill set about mass pming sometime in the week to gauge who wants to come/whens good as im not sure whos checking this thread, but yeah im ready to lock'n'load
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Post by boelsen on Sept 12, 2008 4:11:34 GMT 7
i'm up for it whenever it is
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Post by scotopic lux on Sept 12, 2008 4:35:43 GMT 7
Yeah, I'm ready to roll when we had set the date and made sure that everyone who wants to come is happy with that.
Unibar sounds great Jimmy, all systems go. Do we need a deposit or anything to secure the venue for that date?
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Post by Tragic Ether on Sept 12, 2008 15:37:18 GMT 7
Im definitely coming!
I guess we want to recruit (predominantly) adelaide bands - cos i dont suspect we'll be able to afford to put up interstaters in hotels and such, and i cant see them paying their own way.
Ill check out those few bands you mentioned - cheers! Keep suggesting others too!
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Post by Cygnet on Sept 20, 2008 13:14:23 GMT 7
Ok, so I've told Lisa to book the Unibar for the 11th, I told her to let me know what costs would be involved and when we need to pay them by.
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Post by scotopic lux on Sept 21, 2008 7:17:47 GMT 7
awesome jimmy, did everyone else reply to your PM's? Ok so we have a date - I will now start asking around for bands. How many bands do we think we are going to want? Are we going to get them to do their own set and 1 SP cover, or what is the deal do you think?
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Post by Cygnet on Sept 21, 2008 7:35:19 GMT 7
Yeah most people replied and everyone seemed to be cool with making it whenever. 3 or 4 bands would be about right. I was thinking it'd be good for them to mostly do pumpkins songs, but ill see how much they feel comfortable about, maybe if theyre playing a 45 minute set and they can drop a couple of their own songs into it. It just depends on how many songs they are willing/think theyre able to learn
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Post by scotopic lux on Sept 21, 2008 8:25:13 GMT 7
ok cool
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Post by Cygnet on Sept 22, 2008 15:09:25 GMT 7
Ok, so Costs - Lisa said they have a standard booking split but we negotiate that based on the show specs. The Unibar will take a split per head on the night so we don't need any upfronts for them. What were the thoughts on the bands i posted earlier? I definitely want to try and get BrotherSister. Here are some more great adelaide bands, but without much obvious pumpkins influence im not sure theyd be interested, i can have a talk to them should we want to get some more liberal interpretations , id say wed be better off with brothersister and lady strangelove though: Leader Cheetah: www.myspace.com/leadercheetah No Through Road: www.myspace.com/nothroughroadMr Wednesday: www.myspace.com/mrwednesday
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Post by Steve on Sept 23, 2008 17:09:58 GMT 7
That tune Strangelove open with is pretty awesome
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Post by Cygnet on Sept 23, 2008 17:51:28 GMT 7
Yeah theyre pretty good, theyve played a few big gigs if i remember right, i seem to recall hearing they blew wolfmother off the stage a while ago . hopefully i can get them to play, i dont really have any contacts with them but shouldnt be too hard hopefully seeing as theyre pumpkins fans.
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